Posts Tagged ‘Category Design’

029 Legendary Marketing Lightning Strike Dave Gerhardt Drift

Legendary Marketing Lightning Strike Dave Gerhardt Drift Follow Your Different™ Podcast

In this follow-up to Episode 20 with David Cancel (DC) the founder and CEO of Drift,  Christopher talks with Dave Gerhardt (DG), the head of marketing for Drift and fellow podcaster.

They are co-authors a of brand new, number one best-selling book called Conversational Marketing: How The World’s Fastest Growing Companies use Chatbots to Generate Leads.

In this episode, we unpack how Drift is designing a new category and we go deep into the strategies and tactics Drift is using and how they executed this most legendary lightning strike centered around the new book.

If you’re into marketing, there’s a ton of gold in this episode. 

  • You’ll get insight into how to get a massive amount of attention for your category, brand and point of view.
  • How to execute an approach called the Multiplier Effect so that each component of your marketing mix multiplies the value of the other components.
  • How to make your company and your category undeniable. 
  • And, how to do my favorite kind of marketing which causes your competition to have emergency board meetings.

“Whether the (category) name is sexy, good or not, you have to name it.” – Dave Gerhardt

 Almost two years ago, Dave was introduced to Christopher through his book after Sequoia invested in Drift, Pat Grady sent him five copies of his book Play Bigger and said he needed to read it. Dave was blown away that how much was in the book was what they were doing without really talking about it. Play Bigger clarified what they were working on.

Hurdles to Overcome

The team at Drift knew they were building a category but didn’t’ really know about category design. During their efforts to write the book and get a publisher, Dave and David discovered that thing, that category that they were building meant nothing until they named it.

“In order for us to win, we need to elevate the category of Conversational Marketing.” – Dave Gerhardt

They had a little traction but not enough. They needed a following, big investors, and the social proof. Fast forward to early 2018. They spent the year writing the book and published on January 30, 2019. After a month, it’s a top 20 business book in the US and in the top 1.5% of all books being sold on Amazon. 

Why Competition is Good

In order for the book to succeed, Dave wants competitors and people in the conversational marketing space. They don’t want people to just think of Drift when they think of conversational marketing. 

Dave compares it to a part of Play Bigger. Apple didn’t invent the tablet but they created a category that elevated it. That’s Drift’s goal; to elevate the category of conversational marketing.

To hear more about Dave’s legendary marketing strike, download and listen to the episode.

Dave Gerhardt Bio:

Dave Gerhardt is a B2B marketing leader, brand builder, and copywriter. 
As VP of Marketing of Drift, he’s helped grow Drift from $0 to over eight-figures in revenue in just two years, and his work has been featured in 100+ news sites and publications, including Forbes, Fortune, Inc., Entrepreneur, TechCrunch, and Harvard Business Review.

He also co-hosts the popular Seeking Wisdom podcast with Drift CEO David Cancel, and he’s the co-author of the definitive book on Conversational Marketing.

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221: Eddie Yoon Strategic Growth

Eddie Yoon Strategic Growth Legends and Losers

On today’s episode, growth strategist and author Eddie Yoon joins us. He has written the book “Superconsumers”. Together with Christopher, he talks about failures, category design, marketing, and how introverts in an extroverted world can thrive by choice.

“Failure is ultimately a good thing and being left out is ultimately gonna force you to carve out your niche.” – Eddie Yoon

Three Things We Learned

Niche down if you don’t fit the mold

This stands true in any setting where success in one’s endeavor is the ultimate goal, including the business world. Bigger companies have a premium place for extroverts who can look the part of a successful individual in such environments. But for introverts who know what they do and are good at it, the prevalent pattern is to niche down and prevent oneself from playing the games that come with being part of the extroverted world of business.

Introverts are more likely to find success as solopreneurs

Introverts tend to be mavericks who process the world in a different way than most people do. They go against the grain by consuming a lot of information in solo or in quiet spaces, enabling them to come up with points of view that differ from the conventional wisdom fed to us. This unique way of thinking makes them exceptional, even if they don’t fit in with the crowd.

Like-minded people make you successful

Most introverts are known to like it best to mingle with people who share the same way of thinking and learn the same way they do. And while this comes with the possibility of ending up lonely, being able to engage with people similar to you can actually be more beneficial.

Going solo in an extroverted world run the risk of being lonely and missed. But people ultimately have the freedom to take the best path to their self-determined success.

Bio / Story:

Eddie Yoon is the founder of EddieWouldGrow, LLC. It is an advisory firm on growth strategy. Prior to this he was a partner at The Cambridge Group, a strategy consulting firm that helps Fortune 500 CEOs drive growth by unlocking consumer demand.

He has written over 40 articles, including some for Harvard Business Review. He also authored the book, Superconsumers: A Simple, Speedy and Sustainable Path to Superior Growth.


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